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		<title>By: Aaron Dragushan</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5553</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Dragushan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Successful entrepreneurs&#039; tend to perceive their own time as high-leverage. If they work on the right stuff, it matters to their business. A lot.

If Charlie helps someone change their habits and become 20% more productive (absolutely possible) that can have a substantial, material, long-term effect on their income.

--&gt; The value of his consulting is relative only to his client&#039;s time-leverage. That&#039;s the point. &lt;--

Now, if you&#039;re saying he&#039;s pricing himself out of range of some people and that&#039;s somehow unethical, that&#039;s a pretty weak argument and leaves out the fact that he provides tremendous value for free on this site, at his own cost.

If you&#039;re actually interested in this stuff, and not giving someone grief, this is an interested essay about the creation of wealth: http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html  Charlie is increasing his wealth and that of his clients simultaneously.

The best determinant of pricing is the *value you deliver*. Period.

- Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Successful entrepreneurs&#8217; tend to perceive their own time as high-leverage. If they work on the right stuff, it matters to their business. A lot.</p>
<p>If Charlie helps someone change their habits and become 20% more productive (absolutely possible) that can have a substantial, material, long-term effect on their income.</p>
<p>&#8211;&gt; The value of his consulting is relative only to his client&#8217;s time-leverage. That&#8217;s the point. &lt;&#8211;</p>
<p>Now, if you&#039;re saying he&#039;s pricing himself out of range of some people and that&#039;s somehow unethical, that&#039;s a pretty weak argument and leaves out the fact that he provides tremendous value for free on this site, at his own cost.</p>
<p>If you&#039;re actually interested in this stuff, and not giving someone grief, this is an interested essay about the creation of wealth: <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html</a>  Charlie is increasing his wealth and that of his clients simultaneously.</p>
<p>The best determinant of pricing is the *value you deliver*. Period.</p>
<p>- Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5469</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to hear that you&#039;re in interested in both working with me and/or attending the retreat. I&#039;m sending you an email to see what you need and what we can coordinate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to hear that you&#8217;re in interested in both working with me and/or attending the retreat. I&#8217;m sending you an email to see what you need and what we can coordinate.</p>
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		<title>By: cjack</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5462</link>
		<dc:creator>cjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie!

I look forward to working with you in the very near future...like very near. I am also seriously considering attending the retreat in Feb. I have been planning a trip back to AZ for R&amp;R and this could easily be apart of that plan. So...with traveling both this week and next week, seems like the week after will start to be good for me.

Are coaching contact hours a little flexible - like will you be available for early evenings?

Thanks in advance!
cj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie!</p>
<p>I look forward to working with you in the very near future&#8230;like very near. I am also seriously considering attending the retreat in Feb. I have been planning a trip back to AZ for R&amp;R and this could easily be apart of that plan. So&#8230;with traveling both this week and next week, seems like the week after will start to be good for me.</p>
<p>Are coaching contact hours a little flexible &#8211; like will you be available for early evenings?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance!<br />
cj</p>
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		<title>By: Eric "M" Schiller</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5461</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric "M" Schiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spending time to write a me a novel *is* a waste of resources, but your justifications for your pricing listed above sound exactly like Naomi Dunford&#039;s ad copy, so it probably wasn&#039;t difficult for you to come up with then.

Just go watch yourself here: http://www.productiveflourishing.com/the-thing-i-hate-the-most-about-being-an-entrepreneur/

And ask yourself if pricing your coaching services at $200 per hour is &quot;approachable&quot; or &quot;inaccessible.&quot;  Your words, not mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spending time to write a me a novel *is* a waste of resources, but your justifications for your pricing listed above sound exactly like Naomi Dunford&#8217;s ad copy, so it probably wasn&#8217;t difficult for you to come up with then.</p>
<p>Just go watch yourself here: <a href="http://www.productiveflourishing.com/the-thing-i-hate-the-most-about-being-an-entrepreneur/" rel="nofollow">http://www.productiveflourishing.com/the-thing-i-hate-the-most-about-being-an-entrepreneur/</a></p>
<p>And ask yourself if pricing your coaching services at $200 per hour is &#8220;approachable&#8221; or &#8220;inaccessible.&#8221;  Your words, not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5460</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you&#039;re smart, but every indication I&#039;ve gotten from you in our past conversations is that you&#039;re not really seeking to understand. It&#039;s not a matter of &quot;can&quot; in that sense - everything looks like a nail to a hammer.

Second, unless you&#039;ve worked with me, you don&#039;t know what I do. You don&#039;t know how much time I put into it or what I offer outside of the one-hour increments that are listed on my coaching page.

Third, part of the reason my descriptions are ambiguous is because I tailor what I do for the particular person I&#039;m working with. My copy can&#039;t cover all the possible specifics in the way I might work with someone - so broad strokes have to do until I can talk to someone and determine if we&#039;re a good fit. For what it&#039;s worth, I haven&#039;t been the right fit for some people and had to refer them to someone else.

Fourth, every one of the clients that I&#039;ve worked with has had great results. &lt;em&gt;As a matter of fact,&lt;/em&gt; my clients are happier, more effective, less stressed, and achieving their goals. The claims in my copy reflect this, and if that makes them buzz words, so be it.

What gauge you&#039;re using to make a normative judgment about the relative financial value of my service is lost upon me, and what people are willing to pay their psychologists, doctors, burger-flippers, mechanics, or teachers is only tangentially relevant. What &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; relevant is 1) whether I&#039;m providing a service that&#039;s a good exchange of value from my clients&#039; perspectives, and 2) whether I can stand behind what I&#039;m charging with integrity.

I offer a unique service that helps a particular set of people who I&#039;m especially good at working with. The people who use that service are satisfied with the outcomes of it, and while my rates are surely above the means of some people, any reasonable rate I might charge would be above someone&#039;s means. 

Your mind is already made up on this, and me saying anything more would only serve to continue a conversational pattern between us that I find to be both sophomoric and a waste of resources. It seems that our ideologies and communicative patters are irreconcilable, so the best thing I can do is disengage and do something that would actually make a positive difference in the world - there&#039;s no fertile ground here.

So: you think I&#039;m betraying my concern for ethical pricing and entrepreneurship. Duly noted. Have a nice evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you&#8217;re smart, but every indication I&#8217;ve gotten from you in our past conversations is that you&#8217;re not really seeking to understand. It&#8217;s not a matter of &#8220;can&#8221; in that sense &#8211; everything looks like a nail to a hammer.</p>
<p>Second, unless you&#8217;ve worked with me, you don&#8217;t know what I do. You don&#8217;t know how much time I put into it or what I offer outside of the one-hour increments that are listed on my coaching page.</p>
<p>Third, part of the reason my descriptions are ambiguous is because I tailor what I do for the particular person I&#8217;m working with. My copy can&#8217;t cover all the possible specifics in the way I might work with someone &#8211; so broad strokes have to do until I can talk to someone and determine if we&#8217;re a good fit. For what it&#8217;s worth, I haven&#8217;t been the right fit for some people and had to refer them to someone else.</p>
<p>Fourth, every one of the clients that I&#8217;ve worked with has had great results. <em>As a matter of fact,</em> my clients are happier, more effective, less stressed, and achieving their goals. The claims in my copy reflect this, and if that makes them buzz words, so be it.</p>
<p>What gauge you&#8217;re using to make a normative judgment about the relative financial value of my service is lost upon me, and what people are willing to pay their psychologists, doctors, burger-flippers, mechanics, or teachers is only tangentially relevant. What <em>is</em> relevant is 1) whether I&#8217;m providing a service that&#8217;s a good exchange of value from my clients&#8217; perspectives, and 2) whether I can stand behind what I&#8217;m charging with integrity.</p>
<p>I offer a unique service that helps a particular set of people who I&#8217;m especially good at working with. The people who use that service are satisfied with the outcomes of it, and while my rates are surely above the means of some people, any reasonable rate I might charge would be above someone&#8217;s means. </p>
<p>Your mind is already made up on this, and me saying anything more would only serve to continue a conversational pattern between us that I find to be both sophomoric and a waste of resources. It seems that our ideologies and communicative patters are irreconcilable, so the best thing I can do is disengage and do something that would actually make a positive difference in the world &#8211; there&#8217;s no fertile ground here.</p>
<p>So: you think I&#8217;m betraying my concern for ethical pricing and entrepreneurship. Duly noted. Have a nice evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric "M" Schiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric "M" Schiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think I can&#039;t understand what you do from reading your blog for over a year, then who can Charlie?  

You offer ambiguously described coaching services marketed with strong buzz-words for more money per hour than most people are willing to pay their psychologists.

What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think I can&#8217;t understand what you do from reading your blog for over a year, then who can Charlie?  </p>
<p>You offer ambiguously described coaching services marketed with strong buzz-words for more money per hour than most people are willing to pay their psychologists.</p>
<p>What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5454</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone with so little knowledge about what I do, this is quite a vacuous rebuke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone with so little knowledge about what I do, this is quite a vacuous rebuke.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric "M" Schiller</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5452</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric "M" Schiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone so concerned about the ethics of pricing, this is quite a disappointing move.
.-= Eric &quot;M&quot; Schiller´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BeyondGrowth/~3/m1KuR6cOH0Y/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Authenticity, Congruence, and Small Talk&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone so concerned about the ethics of pricing, this is quite a disappointing move.<br />
.-= Eric &#8220;M&#8221; Schiller´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BeyondGrowth/~3/m1KuR6cOH0Y/" rel="nofollow">Authenticity, Congruence, and Small Talk</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Handel</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/my-coaching-rates-are-going-up-next-month/#comment-5418</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Handel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool to see you getting by self-employed. That is something I would like to do one day too. Maybe I will schedule a session with you once I have a little bit of money.
.-= Steven Handel´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theemotionmachine.com/grudges-and-forgiveness&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grudges And Forgiveness&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool to see you getting by self-employed. That is something I would like to do one day too. Maybe I will schedule a session with you once I have a little bit of money.<br />
.-= Steven Handel´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.theemotionmachine.com/grudges-and-forgiveness" rel="nofollow">Grudges And Forgiveness</a> =-.</p>
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