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		<title>By: Charles Gilkey</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/12-ways-to-practice-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Gilkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bill: There are at least three different, but related, positions that we may be disagreeing about.  I think it&#039;s the first one, but the implication of the first one bears on the other two.  I wanted to make sure which position you&#039;re taking so I&#039;m clear on what we&#039;re disagreeing about.

1) We&#039;re disagreeing about the referent of &quot;courage.&quot;  You reserve it for &quot;the ultimate willingness to act...to preserve the beliefs of a polity or society without forethought to personal consequences.&quot;  My use is much more mundane - so the third-grader that stands up to the bully is acting courageously - the same kind of act to a different degree.  This disagreement is a semantical one.

2) We&#039;re disagreeing about what makes people morally worthy.  My position is that there&#039;s no need for a person to contemplate an action for that action to be morally worthy.  Thus, whether a person is &quot;willing&quot; in some deep meaning of willing is not the issue - it&#039;s the action, pure and simple.  This is a metaethical disagreement.

3) We&#039;re disagreeing about how we become more virtuous. My position is that we become more virtuous through practice and habit rather than some complete out of the blue action.  This is a disagreement about the teaching of character.

Now, if you&#039;re right about (1), then (2) and (3) may need some revision.  (3) is the clearer case, for if you can only become more courageous (virtuous) through extreme actions, you&#039;ll have to be either really lucky or unlucky to be able to become more courageous because it&#039;ll require your socio-historical positioning such that you have the ability to put yourself on the line in a grand way.  On this account, a very small portion of humanity will ever have the chance to be cowardly or courageous - and that seems counterintuitive to me.

Regarding self-serving motives: there comes a point where an individual needs to have her needs taken care of, and sometimes the only way they can do that is to learn how to be courage enough to take herself seriously enough and begin acting as if she were serious.  I think it&#039;s a measure of wisdom when people start figuring out when their needs are not being served by &quot;the common good&quot; and figure out a way to take care of those needs without necessarily stalling &quot;the common good.&quot;  We need not get into the trap of ethical egoism - my interests are the only ones that really matter - but we do need to recognize that our interests do matter.  

So my advice about telling the Boss no is in the context of someone who&#039;s flourishing is seriously compromised by the way they are allowing themselves to be treated rather than the context of someone just looking out to serve themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bill: There are at least three different, but related, positions that we may be disagreeing about.  I think it&#8217;s the first one, but the implication of the first one bears on the other two.  I wanted to make sure which position you&#8217;re taking so I&#8217;m clear on what we&#8217;re disagreeing about.</p>
<p>1) We&#8217;re disagreeing about the referent of &#8220;courage.&#8221;  You reserve it for &#8220;the ultimate willingness to act&#8230;to preserve the beliefs of a polity or society without forethought to personal consequences.&#8221;  My use is much more mundane &#8211; so the third-grader that stands up to the bully is acting courageously &#8211; the same kind of act to a different degree.  This disagreement is a semantical one.</p>
<p>2) We&#8217;re disagreeing about what makes people morally worthy.  My position is that there&#8217;s no need for a person to contemplate an action for that action to be morally worthy.  Thus, whether a person is &#8220;willing&#8221; in some deep meaning of willing is not the issue &#8211; it&#8217;s the action, pure and simple.  This is a metaethical disagreement.</p>
<p>3) We&#8217;re disagreeing about how we become more virtuous. My position is that we become more virtuous through practice and habit rather than some complete out of the blue action.  This is a disagreement about the teaching of character.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re right about (1), then (2) and (3) may need some revision.  (3) is the clearer case, for if you can only become more courageous (virtuous) through extreme actions, you&#8217;ll have to be either really lucky or unlucky to be able to become more courageous because it&#8217;ll require your socio-historical positioning such that you have the ability to put yourself on the line in a grand way.  On this account, a very small portion of humanity will ever have the chance to be cowardly or courageous &#8211; and that seems counterintuitive to me.</p>
<p>Regarding self-serving motives: there comes a point where an individual needs to have her needs taken care of, and sometimes the only way they can do that is to learn how to be courage enough to take herself seriously enough and begin acting as if she were serious.  I think it&#8217;s a measure of wisdom when people start figuring out when their needs are not being served by &#8220;the common good&#8221; and figure out a way to take care of those needs without necessarily stalling &#8220;the common good.&#8221;  We need not get into the trap of ethical egoism &#8211; my interests are the only ones that really matter &#8211; but we do need to recognize that our interests do matter.  </p>
<p>So my advice about telling the Boss no is in the context of someone who&#8217;s flourishing is seriously compromised by the way they are allowing themselves to be treated rather than the context of someone just looking out to serve themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/12-ways-to-practice-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the agreeing with the &quot;Gestalt&quot; of a courageous act...I am still adamant about reserving the use of courage as the ultimate willingness to act (the extreme of a continuum of actions).
This act is usually based on preserving the beliefs of a polity or society without forethought to the personal consequences. That doesn&#039;t mean it always ends in death...and it is not always rewarded by the society that the act intends to preserve! 
If an individual feels they must &quot;muster up courage&quot; to act, then there is usually some desired self serving motive. Saying &quot;no&quot; to your boss is not courage. Your recommended action seems to implore that the individual seek a reason for saying no that will contribute to the benefit of the company. That is a start - to get the fearful individual to start looking how they may be a benefit to others, and not just themselves. We humans overcome incredible odds, when we take our personal self-serving agendas out of the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the agreeing with the &#8220;Gestalt&#8221; of a courageous act&#8230;I am still adamant about reserving the use of courage as the ultimate willingness to act (the extreme of a continuum of actions).<br />
This act is usually based on preserving the beliefs of a polity or society without forethought to the personal consequences. That doesn&#8217;t mean it always ends in death&#8230;and it is not always rewarded by the society that the act intends to preserve!<br />
If an individual feels they must &#8220;muster up courage&#8221; to act, then there is usually some desired self serving motive. Saying &#8220;no&#8221; to your boss is not courage. Your recommended action seems to implore that the individual seek a reason for saying no that will contribute to the benefit of the company. That is a start &#8211; to get the fearful individual to start looking how they may be a benefit to others, and not just themselves. We humans overcome incredible odds, when we take our personal self-serving agendas out of the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Gilkey</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/12-ways-to-practice-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Gilkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bill: I think you&#039;re right that people don&#039;t think about how courageous they&#039;re being, for when I&#039;ve been in situations that were, in fact, life and death, I didn&#039;t wonder whether I was being courageous or not.  I just acted.

But where I disagree is that courage&#039;s only reference is for actions that require ultimate sacrifice or a willingness to die or be harmed.  Furthermore, the constant act of putting yourself out there for causes you believe are important makes it such that you&#039;re not as cowardly in other situations that require more sacrifice.

Am I saying that the courage from blogging translates to courage in combat, stressful situations, or against tyranny?  Not a direct translation - that requires other virtues to be at play - but it has made you used to being someone who stands for something or at least has made you used to the idea that your voice and actions count for something.

Thanks for joining the conversation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bill: I think you&#8217;re right that people don&#8217;t think about how courageous they&#8217;re being, for when I&#8217;ve been in situations that were, in fact, life and death, I didn&#8217;t wonder whether I was being courageous or not.  I just acted.</p>
<p>But where I disagree is that courage&#8217;s only reference is for actions that require ultimate sacrifice or a willingness to die or be harmed.  Furthermore, the constant act of putting yourself out there for causes you believe are important makes it such that you&#8217;re not as cowardly in other situations that require more sacrifice.</p>
<p>Am I saying that the courage from blogging translates to courage in combat, stressful situations, or against tyranny?  Not a direct translation &#8211; that requires other virtues to be at play &#8211; but it has made you used to being someone who stands for something or at least has made you used to the idea that your voice and actions count for something.</p>
<p>Thanks for joining the conversation!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of courage, how about using words like self-confidence, self-esteem and assertiveness ?
I know that it requires boldness to break out, and that it &quot;feels like&quot; one is putting one&#039;s life on the line, but it is pretty unlikely that anyone has a great chance of dying or being killed by what you are promoting.
To infer that your activities require courage only lowers the nobility of the ultimate sacrifice one willingly makes for what one believes. I guarantee that when that person is in the middle of that courageous action, they have not taken the time to ponder how courageous they are being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of courage, how about using words like self-confidence, self-esteem and assertiveness ?<br />
I know that it requires boldness to break out, and that it &#8220;feels like&#8221; one is putting one&#8217;s life on the line, but it is pretty unlikely that anyone has a great chance of dying or being killed by what you are promoting.<br />
To infer that your activities require courage only lowers the nobility of the ultimate sacrifice one willingly makes for what one believes. I guarantee that when that person is in the middle of that courageous action, they have not taken the time to ponder how courageous they are being.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Rebel Writer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 7 Links of Writing Power, Plus Some Courage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Rebel Writer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 7 Links of Writing Power, Plus Some Courage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12 Ways to Practice Courage: It?s key to remember the Doctrine of the Mean when reviewing this list. For every activity mentioned, there?s a way to overdo it, leading to rashness, and there?s a way to underdo it, leading to cowardice. Find that middle ground between the two and begin flourishing. This post is Part One of an 11 Part Megaseries that lists every virtue displayed here. My goal is to do one virtue a week until completed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 12 Ways to Practice Courage: It?s key to remember the Doctrine of the Mean when reviewing this list. For every activity mentioned, there?s a way to overdo it, leading to rashness, and there?s a way to underdo it, leading to cowardice. Find that middle ground between the two and begin flourishing. This post is Part One of an 11 Part Megaseries that lists every virtue displayed here. My goal is to do one virtue a week until completed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Gilkey</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/12-ways-to-practice-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Gilkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Amy: Thanks for letting me know you liked this post and that you want to see more.  I&#039;m hoping to have the next one up by Tuesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Amy: Thanks for letting me know you liked this post and that you want to see more.  I&#8217;m hoping to have the next one up by Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Rebel Writer</title>
		<link>http://www.productiveflourishing.com/12-ways-to-practice-courage/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Rebel Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Charlie! So many truisms here - with your first point, I&#039;ve found I&#039;ve gained power over my fears when I name them and face them head on. They still may scare the bejesus out me, but I get a better grip. This is quite a post, and I&#039;m looking forward to the series as it goes on.

&lt;em&gt;Quiet Rebel Writer&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.quietrebelwriter.com/2008/03/18/roundup-7-freelancing-and-creativity-links/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roundup: 7 Freelancing and Creativity Links&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Charlie! So many truisms here &#8211; with your first point, I&#8217;ve found I&#8217;ve gained power over my fears when I name them and face them head on. They still may scare the bejesus out me, but I get a better grip. This is quite a post, and I&#8217;m looking forward to the series as it goes on.</p>
<p><em>Quiet Rebel Writer&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.quietrebelwriter.com/2008/03/18/roundup-7-freelancing-and-creativity-links/' rel="nofollow">Roundup: 7 Freelancing and Creativity Links</a></em></p>
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